Roediger Questions and Answers

The following is a transcript of some of the questions and answers that we asked Dr. Roediger:

[Chris Eaton]  What material are your egg digestors composed of?
[Dr. Markus Roediger] They are made of pre-stressed concrete or steel (we do not construct the vessels). Below the minimum sludge level is no coating needed, a poxitar coating is applied in concrete or steel digesters above the minimum sludge level.

[Chris Eaton] What is the ratio of sludge input to methane output?
[Dr. Markus Roediger]   In a good two-stage digestion system, you may assume that almost 90% of the degradable organic (volatile) solids are degraded. You may assume that 60 to 65% of these organic solids are degradable (in sewage sludge). You may assume for the US that 75% of the raw sludge solids are volatile. This leads to a degradation of over 50% of the volatile solids fed, and of approx. 40% of the total solids fed.  [Dr. Markus Roediger]  You may further assume that approx. 0.9 m3 of digester gas is generated per kg of volatile solids degraded (or 0.45 per volatile solids fed). Methane concentration is typicalle 2/3 of the digester gas, the remainder is mainly CO2).

[Chris Eaton]  First, is there anything glaringly wrong with the basic design? 
[Dr. Markus Roediger]  In your anoxic tank you generate a mixture of CO2 and N2.

[Chris Eaton]  Next, is the organization of the building correct, or should the aeration tank be placed above the final clarifiers? Originally the aeration tank was placed on the bottom due to it's large size, but we are now reconsidering this as it would involve added pumping costs.  Also, what saftey issues need to be addressed concerning the hadling of methane?
[Dr. Markus Roediger]  You should put the anaerobic digester(s) on top bacause of safety reasons. Pumping sludge up is a minor energy consumption. Sludge flow is less than 1% of wastewater flow. Should the anerobic tank and the anerobic digester be placed on the same level, or would it not be worth the additional pumping costs?

[Dr. Markus Roediger] You have a very sophisticated system with anaerobic, anoxic and oxic tanks.

[Chris Eaton]  Which tank is the "biological (secondary) treatment"?  
[Dr. Markus Roediger]  In your case secondary treatment includes your anaerobic, anoxic and aerated reactors including your clarifiers.  You call these units together an activated sludge treatment system.

[Chris Eaton]  What are primary clarifiers?  
[Dr. Markus Roediger]  Primary settling tanks for removal of solids forming the primary sludge (mainly consisting of fecal matter)

[Chris Eaton]  Methane collection: What types of pipes do you recommended (even sizes/diameters)? Is there a pressure needed for the system to operate?
[Dr. Markus Roediger]   The pressure is kept slightly above atmospheric pressure. You should also consider a gas holding tank. Gas pipes should be stainless steel pipes to prevent corrosion. Size would be 8".

[Chris Eaton]  For a 20 million gallons per day plant, can you approximate the final sludge output?
[Dr. Markus Roediger]   Approx. 10 metric tons of solids per day. You certainly want to dewater this sludge e.g. by means of belt filter presses. You may achieve a sludge cake having approx. 20% of solids, giving a daily sludge cake production of 50 metric tons per day.

[Chris Eaton]  Can you give us an estimate on how much would it cost for any of the following:
[Dr. Markus Roediger]  Please be aware of the fact that the following figures are very rough guesstimates, they also include technical equipment:
5,500 gallon anerobic tank [Dr. Markus Roediger]   $ 40,000
250,000 gallon anoxic tank [Dr. Markus Roediger]   $ 400,000
900,000 gallon aeration tank [Dr. Markus Roediger]  $ 8,000,000
500,000 gallon final clarifier [Dr. Markus Roediger]  $ 1,100,000
4000 m3 egg digester [Dr. Markus Roediger]   $ 4,000,000
39,000 UV contact tank [Dr. Markus Roediger]   ??? 
This is all reguardless of the cost of putting it in a vertical structure, just the cost for the components.

[Chris Eaton]  We need more clarification on the primary clarifier.  
[Dr. Markus Roediger]  It is a settling tank to remove the (primary) sludge that is in the incoming wastewater. The primary sludge from the primary clarifier plus the secondary sludge (produced biomass) from your biological treatment stage (your activated sludge system) is called the raw sludge. Raw sludge is fed into the anaerobic digesters for sludge stabilization (anaerobic biological degration of organic matter). The sludge from the digester is called digested sludge (or biosolids).

[Chris Eaton]  How much would such a primary clarifier cost?   
[Dr. Markus Roediger]  A 700m3 primary clarifier would cost (construction + equipment) approx. $600,000

[Chris Eaton]  How does a primary clarifier differ from a final clarifier? 
[Dr. Markus Roediger]  It is very similar. Final clarifiers are deeper. 

[Chris Eaton]  Does the primary clarifier eliminat the need for a grit removal system?
[Dr. Markus Roediger]   No, because you do not want to have the grit in your sludge (this would cause wear of all the equipment, and grit would build up in the digesters) .

[Chris Eaton] If phosphorous is removed in the aeration tank, is nitrogen removed in the anoxic tank?  What is the difference between the anerobic and the anoxic tanks?
[Dr. Markus Roediger]  That is a bit complicated. Biologicalphosphorus removal is done by increased incorporation of phosphorus by the activated sludge bacteria. They do so if the are alternatively subject to anaerobic and oxic conditions. The phosphorus is removed with the biomass removed (the so-called waste activated or surplus sludge). Nitrogen removal is different. The ammonium nitrogen (NH4+) present in the wastewater is oxidized by special bacteria (the so-called) nitrificants to nitrate (NO3-) in the oxic (aerated) tank. Nitrate rich water is recirculated into the anoxic tank (not aerated), where other bacteria use the nitrate as oxygen source. The nitrate is there reduced to elementary nitrogen (N2) that is released into the air. An anaerobic tank contains neither free oxygen, nor nitrate, an anoxic tank contains no free oxygen, but nitrate.

[Chris Eaton]  How big would a dewatering facility be that would be capable of handling 1 MGD dry time flow? and how much would such a unit cost?
[Dr. Markus Roediger]  I assume that you have anaerobic sludge digestion. A 1 MGD plant generates approx. 750 kg dry solids per day. If you want to dewater 5 days per week, and 8 hours per day, you naeed a dewatering capacity for 130 kg/h. You can assume for digested sludge a capacity of a belt filter press of 500 kg per m belt width and hour. A single belt filter press with 1 m effective belt width would be plenty. Assume $200,000  for equipment and installation, and $ 100,000 for building.

[Chris Eaton] Would the primary clarifier be the same size as the final clarifier?  
[Dr. Markus Roediger] No, primary clarifiers are much smaller. Approx. 1 h detention time, for final clarifiers you may assume 4 h.

[Chris Eaton]  Is the sludge from both units used in the egg digestors?
[Dr. Markus Roediger]   yes

 


From: "Christian Eaton" <thekaseman@hotmail.com> Save Address Block Sender
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Subject: RE: Research Project at Mainland High School - Daytona Beach, FL
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:26:03 PST

Dear Dr. Roediger,

Thank you once again for your speedy reply. You can not understand how much you are helping us. But now we have more questions.

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#1: your following comments need a little bit of clarification. Which tank is the "biological (secondary) treatment"? What do you mean by "100% of the flow"? What are primary clarifiers? We have grit removal system with a screen and a centrifuge, is that what a primary clarifier is, or something else?


[Dr. Markus Roediger] You forgot the primary clarifiers. Where you have anaerobic sludge digestion, you should have primary clarifiers. They reduce the load into your biological (secondary) treatment stage and increase gas production.

You have a very sophisticated system with anaerobic, anoxic and oxic tanks. However, please consider that you have return flows (sludge flom clarifiers to anaerobic tank [approx. 100% of the flow], mixed liquor from aeration basin to anoxic basin (to return nitrate for denitrification [can be much more than 100% of the flow]).

I would suggest the following set-up. Have the activated sludge system
including the clarifiers) on a single level. If you expand, you build
another parallel system on top. You would need to lift only a portion of the flow.

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2: Could you please help us with approximate tank sizes (in gallons if possible) and number of tanks required for a 20 MGD plant? We are having trouble getting the correct RATIOS of sizes for a specific daily flow rate.

primary clarifiers
anerobic tank
anoxic tank
aeration tank
final clarifiers
digester
gravel pit
UV/Cl2 purification tank

Also, can these RATIOS be scaled to whatever size we need? or is there an optimized size?

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#3 Methane collection:

What types of pipes do you recommended (even sizes/diameters)? Is there a pressure needed for the system to operate?

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#4 sludge produced

For the 20 MGD configuration in #2, can you approximate the final sludge output?

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#5 safety

If we wanted to put both the a anerobic tank and the sludge digesters on the same level, would the bottom level be sufficient? or would the top level be worth the added pumping cost for safety concerns?

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Thank you again for all of the help you have given us. We have a meeting with the whole group today from 3pm till 6pm eastern standard time. If you could respond by then it would be greatly appriciated. If you have AOL Instant Messanger you could contact us durring that time under the screen name "clhcolwell".

Thank you once again,

Chris.